Remember this bit

Remember this snippet of the Declaration of Independence, at least: 

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

Sure, it hasn’t happened much.  However, the fact that it happened at all is inexcusable.

 

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0 Responses to Remember this bit

  1. markchd says:

    Somebody needed to say it. I’m glad I’m not alone in feeling that today.

  2. landon says:

    Somebody *did* say it, a long time ago. And we forgot.

    I’m sure that somebody, somewhere has done a checklist…

  3. Sammy Jankis says:

    Amen.

  4. So, what’s your point? It’s not very clear

    I’m seeing a lot of hate this year for some reason – this was a looong time ago. Enjoy your independance, but lots of people did a lot of bad things that we now know were wrong. Slavery springs to mind – both sides of the pond were involved there.

    Whatever, Happy 4th of July, I hope it’s a good one.

  5. FeepingCreature says:

    Someone English, I’m not sure but I think he _might_ be referring to Gitmo. It certainly fits the above claims.

    I doubt he’s grumpy about things that happened hundreds of years ago ^^

  6. Sammy Jankis says:

    How does loving your country and the ideals it was founded on translate to hate?

  7. Mike Souza says:

    If he’s referring to Gitmo, then I’d argue that what our founding fathers wrote is very different from the context of Gitmo.

    First off the rights denied to our founding fathers were denied to them as English citizens by their English King. The vast majority of Gitmo prisoners are not U.S. citizens. I’m not saying I agree with the actions, just that it’s not the same situation in that we’re not depriving our own citizens of rights… the rights granted by the constitution.

    The Patriot Act is a whole different story though.

  8. Josh Perry says:

    I’m Canadian, so don’t really have any grounds to stand on with this one…but, uh…….

    ummmm…..

    ….well i really like this blog and its the first feed I check everyday, so naturally i want to post something….so……ummm

    Diablo 3 is real 😀

    There….that autta do it 🙂

  9. landon says:

    @Mike: I’m not going to turn this into a political blog. If I’ve been taught anything over the years, it’s that I’m better at writing code than I am at any kind of political discussion.

    But everything I’ve heard about Gitmo has had a sense of _wrong_ to it. It may be arguable on technical grounds that it’s okay to keep people locked up 23 of 24 hours a day for years without any formal charges, but it’s sure not a moral high ground.

    There are other things, like the civil forfeiture laws, that also fall into this category. These have been around for years, and people get burned by them when they’re abused as a source of revenue.  [The logical extension of this discussion gets into “tools to fight the drug war,” and likewise, I also don’t want to go there.  I can’t say anything that hasn’t already been said, and there are other, more capable blogs that cover this stuff better.]
    I’ve written my share of letters to congresscritters about these issues. To be honest, that’s been the extent of my efforts. I could do better.  (So could the congresscritters, but that’s another story).
    So. Ummmmmmmm.

    Anyone try Age of Conan?

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